Comments on: U.S. Army Camouflage: Visibly in Need of Change http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/ The One-Stop Site for College Students: News, Politics, Sports, Entertainment, Technology, College Life, and More Mon, 28 Jun 2010 18:59:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: claytonjaksha http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-209 claytonjaksha Tue, 09 Mar 2010 07:02:24 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-209 I do agree, the ACU has to go eventually, but with the manufacturing and distribution costs of MultiCam, the phase-out should be taken in baby steps. The Army actually just put my plan to action and will start sending troops to Afghanistan in MultiCam in July of this year (2010). This step is huge because now MultiCam can be combat tested and then the Army can act further and see if they want to issue more of them. Thanks for your history of the term "doughboy"!<br><br>Clayton Jaksha I do agree, the ACU has to go eventually, but with the manufacturing and distribution costs of MultiCam, the phase-out should be taken in baby steps. The Army actually just put my plan to action and will start sending troops to Afghanistan in MultiCam in July of this year (2010). This step is huge because now MultiCam can be combat tested and then the Army can act further and see if they want to issue more of them. Thanks for your history of the term “doughboy”!

Clayton Jaksha

]]> By: claytonjaksha http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-208 claytonjaksha Tue, 09 Mar 2010 06:57:45 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-208 Thank you for the corrections. I just did some quick research, but I think your corrections continue to underscore my point.<br><br>Clayton Jaksha Thank you for the corrections. I just did some quick research, but I think your corrections continue to underscore my point.

Clayton Jaksha

]]> By: TheLeucadian http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-207 TheLeucadian Sun, 07 Mar 2010 14:45:09 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-207 As evidenced by the photo, this pattern is not dark enough. Although pixelated material has been proven effective, this shade of pixelated camo is much more effective in urban and desert environments. Think about it - most of the background in cities is concrete, a dull gray that this shade is very similar to. My guess is that the army anticipated lots of 21st century combat going on in relatively more developed nations and in more urban or desert environments - we're talking Middle East. These things were made with Iran and Iraq in mind.<br><br>Devil504 corrected you with a lot of stuff, but let one more thing go - the US Army generally wore khaki during World War I. Down in the drenches, they got pretty dusty, making their entire bodies look the same light sandy brown color. From this combination of clothing and mud came the term "doughboy." As evidenced by the photo, this pattern is not dark enough. Although pixelated material has been proven effective, this shade of pixelated camo is much more effective in urban and desert environments. Think about it – most of the background in cities is concrete, a dull gray that this shade is very similar to. My guess is that the army anticipated lots of 21st century combat going on in relatively more developed nations and in more urban or desert environments – we're talking Middle East. These things were made with Iran and Iraq in mind.

Devil504 corrected you with a lot of stuff, but let one more thing go – the US Army generally wore khaki during World War I. Down in the drenches, they got pretty dusty, making their entire bodies look the same light sandy brown color. From this combination of clothing and mud came the term “doughboy.”

]]> By: devil504 http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-171 devil504 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:26:51 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-171 Clayton, while I agree with you that the ACU sucks. You need to do a little more reasearch my boy. The ACU was adopted in 2004 not 2008. They do not now, nor did they ever cost $120. They were around $80 at first ,now down to around $60. The layout or cut of the uniform was being tested before a pattern was even close to being adopted. The Stryker brigades of the 2nd Infantry Division tested uniforms in the ACU design using the then current 3 color desert camouflage. Now to the use of OD green uniforms. You say we didnt replace it with camouflage until the early 80's. While yes OG107's (Vietnam era jungle fatigues) were still in use so was the predicessor to the BDU called ERDL. ERDL was devolped shortly after WWII and used towards the end of the Vietnam War. There was a pattern used during WWII as well, but used mainly in the Pacific theater due to Germany using many patterns and the Army feared fratricide. Ok now to the money issue. The Army can easily develope many new camouflage patterns. Thats not the cost issue. The issue is replacing the current uniforms and gear. I do not believe the Army should keep the current pattern at all even in Iraq. It isnt effective anywhere. While Iraq is more of an urban environment, the majority of the buildings are still tan or brown. If the Army adopts a new pattern it will totally replace the current pattern. Oh and on the use of either pattern in Iraq or Afghanistan trust me, been to both. Clayton, while I agree with you that the ACU sucks. You need to do a little more reasearch my boy. The ACU was adopted in 2004 not 2008. They do not now, nor did they ever cost $120. They were around $80 at first ,now down to around $60. The layout or cut of the uniform was being tested before a pattern was even close to being adopted. The Stryker brigades of the 2nd Infantry Division tested uniforms in the ACU design using the then current 3 color desert camouflage. Now to the use of OD green uniforms. You say we didnt replace it with camouflage until the early 80's. While yes OG107's (Vietnam era jungle fatigues) were still in use so was the predicessor to the BDU called ERDL. ERDL was devolped shortly after WWII and used towards the end of the Vietnam War. There was a pattern used during WWII as well, but used mainly in the Pacific theater due to Germany using many patterns and the Army feared fratricide. Ok now to the money issue. The Army can easily develope many new camouflage patterns. Thats not the cost issue. The issue is replacing the current uniforms and gear. I do not believe the Army should keep the current pattern at all even in Iraq. It isnt effective anywhere. While Iraq is more of an urban environment, the majority of the buildings are still tan or brown. If the Army adopts a new pattern it will totally replace the current pattern. Oh and on the use of either pattern in Iraq or Afghanistan trust me, been to both.

]]> By: devil504 http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-150 devil504 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:26:51 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-150 Clayton, while I agree with you that the ACU sucks. You need to do a little more reasearch my boy. The ACU was adopted in 2004 not 2008. They do not now, nor did they ever cost $120. They were around $80 at first ,now down to around $60. The layout or cut of the uniform was being tested before a pattern was even close to being adopted. The Stryker brigades of the 2nd Infantry Division tested uniforms in the ACU design using the then current 3 color desert camouflage. Now to the use of OD green uniforms. You say we didnt replace it with camouflage until the early 80's. While yes OG107's (Vietnam era jungle fatigues) were still in use so was the predicessor to the BDU called ERDL. ERDL was devolped shortly after WWII and used towards the end of the Vietnam War. There was a pattern used during WWII as well, but used mainly in the Pacific theater due to Germany using many patterns and the Army feared fratricide. Ok now to the money issue. The Army can easily develope many new camouflage patterns. Thats not the cost issue. The issue is replacing the current uniforms and gear. I do not believe the Army should keep the current pattern at all even in Iraq. It isnt effective anywhere. While Iraq is more of an urban environment, the majority of the buildings are still tan or brown. If the Army adopts a new pattern it will totally replace the current pattern. Oh and on the use of either pattern in Iraq or Afghanistan trust me, been to both. Clayton, while I agree with you that the ACU sucks. You need to do a little more reasearch my boy. The ACU was adopted in 2004 not 2008. They do not now, nor did they ever cost $120. They were around $80 at first ,now down to around $60. The layout or cut of the uniform was being tested before a pattern was even close to being adopted. The Stryker brigades of the 2nd Infantry Division tested uniforms in the ACU design using the then current 3 color desert camouflage. Now to the use of OD green uniforms. You say we didnt replace it with camouflage until the early 80's. While yes OG107's (Vietnam era jungle fatigues) were still in use so was the predicessor to the BDU called ERDL. ERDL was devolped shortly after WWII and used towards the end of the Vietnam War. There was a pattern used during WWII as well, but used mainly in the Pacific theater due to Germany using many patterns and the Army feared fratricide. Ok now to the money issue. The Army can easily develope many new camouflage patterns. Thats not the cost issue. The issue is replacing the current uniforms and gear. I do not believe the Army should keep the current pattern at all even in Iraq. It isnt effective anywhere. While Iraq is more of an urban environment, the majority of the buildings are still tan or brown. If the Army adopts a new pattern it will totally replace the current pattern. Oh and on the use of either pattern in Iraq or Afghanistan trust me, been to both.

]]> By: claytonjaksha http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-122 claytonjaksha Fri, 04 Sep 2009 02:11:43 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-122 Nope, don't think so. The stimulus is, from what I've seen, for new jets for government figures. Nope, don't think so. The stimulus is, from what I've seen, for new jets for government figures.

]]> By: Nicholas Z. http://nextgenjournal.com/2009/08/u-s-army-camouflage-visibly-in-need-of-change/comment-page-1/#comment-121 Nicholas Z. Fri, 04 Sep 2009 01:38:04 +0000 http://nextgenjournal.com/?p=1277#comment-121 Great article! That idea really should be implemented. I don't suppose any part of the Stimulus package is dedicated to the military? :p Great article! That idea really should be implemented. I don't suppose any part of the Stimulus package is dedicated to the military? :p

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